A small group of protestors calling for the teardown of Confederate monuments throughout Dallas gathered on August 10, 2017 beneath the statues of Confederate generals near downtown. (Photo: Doyle Rader)

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At the Confederate War Memorial, a Protest Devolves Into Shouting Match

Protesters and counter-protesters yelled at one another at the steps of Dallas' Confederate War Memorial as the city continues to weigh tearing down Confederate iconography.

Thursday evening, a group of roughly 40 people gathered in Pioneer Park Cemetery, steps away from the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center, where Dallas’ Confederate War Memorial ascends more than 60 feet in the air. The statues of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Albert Johnson, and Jefferson Davis dominate their surroundings; downtown tends to disappear behind the trees. The group, organized by Eric Ramsey and his In Solidarity Movement, was there to protest the existence of Confederate monuments throughout the city and to call upon the mayor and the council to remove them, following the lead of others throughout the south.

“What we’re trying to do here is we’re trying to correct lies about the past,” said Michael Phillips, one of the speakers at the event. “A lot of people are trying to defend these monuments as quote-unquote history and what I’ve said is ‘This is not history, this is propaganda.’ There’s no context for these monuments, they don’t explain the connection to the Confederacy to slavery. And there’s really no way to contextualize this where this would make sense.”

Phillips, a former reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, is a scholar of race relations and currently teaches at Collin County Community College. He’s an outspoken critic of monuments and imagery of the Confederacy in Dallas, and has called for their removal regularly, most recently in an op-ed, written with Edward Sebesta, in The Dallas Morning News.

Not everyone at the protest was in favor of removing the monuments. About 10 men, two of whom were carrying the Confederate Battle Flag, were also present. For the most part, they hung around the edges speaking among themselves, giving reluctant interviews to the TV news crews present. (They would not go on record with me.) And for the most part, the rally was what could be considered humdrum. That changed when Michael Waters began to speak.

Waters, the founding pastor of Joy Tabernacle African Methodist Episcopal (A.M.E) Church, spoke forcefully and vividly about the shooting at the Emanuel A.M.E Church in South Carolina, carried out by the white racist Dylann Roof in 2015. “I want you to hear the gunshots that rained forth in the bottom of that church,” Waters said. “I want you to see that young man reload to do it all over again.” He then issued a challenge to the mayor and City Council to ensure that Dallas not become the next Charleston.

The imagery of Roof’s massacre and his penchant for symbols of the Confederacy drew the ire of the counter-protesters, with one yelling, “We hate that little bastard!” From there, any semblance of organization at the rally dissolved.

Those for and against the removal of the Confederate monuments were suddenly grouped together, shouting talking points at one another, often incoherently. One counter protester, George Rick, who claimed to have family ties to the area dating back 150 years, stepped forward to express his views.

“These monuments here, to me, when I look at these monuments I don’t see slavery, I don’t see racists,” Rick said. “You know what I see? … What I see is memories of the people that suffered during the Civil War. Not just white people. I’m talking about everybody.”

Like Waters before him, Rick was frequently interrupted by shouts and accusations from the crowd. Unlike Waters, though, Rick engaged those confronting him and spoke about a race war that began in the 1700s. At this point, the gathering resembled a Facebook argument more than anything else. This exchange got the most play on the evening newscast, between Waters and a bearded man in a blue shirt holding a Confederate flag (who wouldn’t give his name):

Waters: Why do you carry that flag?

Man: Because this is my heritage! My family fought to save their farm under that flag!

Waters: Who was working that farm?

Man: My family was!

Waters: Who was working that farm?

Man: They were poor! Do you know how much a slave cost back then?

Those favoring the removal of the monuments immediately began singing “We Shall Overcome” while those opposed walked away singing “Dixie.” One even shouted, “God bless the Confederacy!” The crowd soon dispersed.

Through it all, Dallas’ Confederate War Memorial stood looming overhead, as divisive as it ever was.


  • Michael Dorff

    This is an odd account and seems contradictory to what can clearly be seen in various video clips posted by journalists present. It’s clear that Dr. Waters moved over to engage with Mr. Rick once he had finished his remarks. The various videos convey a lot of emotion from the two sides of the discussion, and I can’t say I blame Dr. Waters for walking away upon hearing that Mr. Rick’s family didn’t own slaves because they were simply too expensive at the time. Walking away is often the right thing to do, and the author of this post could easily have framed this story to give Dr. Waters some well-deserved credit.

  • DubiousBrother

    If you want to tear down the statue shouldn’t you also want to rename LBJ Freeway since LBJ was a racist who fought against the Civil Rights Act as a Democrat Senator referring to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as “the nigger bill,” then only when he saw that the Republicans would get it passed when he was President did he take “credit” for it declaring that the Democrats would have “every niqqer in the country voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”

    Also remember, the Republican Party was formed to fight against slavery and won.

    • Happy Bennett

      I’m pretty sure that LBJ regretted quite a few of his decisions like Vietnam for example, but he seemed to get it together on Civil Rights.

      • DubiousBrother

        He was politically forced to “get it together on Civil Rights” but was raised a racist and died a racist.

        • Juanito Ibañez

          “I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
          – Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One – explaining how his phony ‘War On Poverty’ is really a slavemaster’s con: Ronald Kessler’s “Inside The White House”

          “These niggers, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”
          – Lyndon B. Johnson

          • ksskidude

            Fine rename the Freeway, tats fine with me. Let’s get rid of and rename anything that is and was racist. If there was a baseball team the White Crackers, White people would freak the fuck out. Again white people, and yes I am one of the, sadly, are just about the worst race on this planet. And know I can’t change, I’ll just have to live with it. But will speak out against it.

    • ksskidude

      Stop with the Republican Party BS. If Lincoln was alive today he would be a liberal Democrat and you know it. The southern democrats in the 60’s are now the Republicans of today.

  • Juanito Ibañez

    Memo to all the Democrat LibSoc SJWs clamoring to obliterate Robert E. Lee and other figures of the Confederacy from history:

    “I am very happy to take part in this unveiling of the statue of General Robert E. Lee.”

    “All over the United States we recognize him as a great leader of men, as a great general. But, also, all over the United States I believe that we recognize him as something much more important than that. We recognize Robert E. Lee as one of our greatest American Christians and one of our greatest American gentlemen.”

    –Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat and XXXII President of the United States; remarks at the Unveiling of the Robert E. Lee Memorial Statue, Dallas, Texas, June 12, 1936

  • ksskidude

    Hey the fucking Confederacy lost! They don’t deserve shit. They were traitors to this country and it’s flag. The same fucking flag that you all get so god damn pissed off about when a black Person kneels to try and affect change. You scream and call them names and unpatriotic, but your fucking fine with your traitor ass confederate relatives. What a bunch of hypocrites you all are. The confederacy is nothing more than a bunch of sorry ass white people wanting to keep slaves and black people down. States rights my ass. They sure didn’t give a fuck about states rights when the northern states wanted to keep slavery out and allow runaway slaves sanctuary. No then they wanted federal action. Again fucking hypocrites they were and still are.