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23 responses to “Leading Off (late edition)”

  1. Daniel says:

    A lot of people must be awful high, Trey. Not endorsin’, just sayin’. Check it out:
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  2. Daniel says:

    Somehow HTML tags don’t work here. Cut n paste:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_opinion_polls

    I don’t endorse such a view, but it’s surprisingly mainstream.

  3. Daniel says:

    Oh, it automatically puts it in link form. Okay.

  4. Peterk says:

    Just becuz a bunch of nutcases believe in it doesn’t make it true.

  5. JSP says:

    Well, I can think of a dozens and dozens of ways that Wal-Mart exploits both their employees AND taxpayers. But let’s just look at two for now:

    > Wal-Mart routinely violates the Fair Labor Standards Act (forcing employees to work off the clock, to miss breaks and/or meal times; working minors too many hours, past legal working times and/or limits, and allowing them to use hazardous machinery; and on, and on, and on). They are currently facing numerous lawsuits connected with their labor practices.

    > Health Care: Well over 50% of Wal-Mart employees (over 775,000 of them) aren’t covered by Wal-Mart’s company health plan. Wal-Mart routinely places posters in their employee break areas promoting and encouraging their employees to sign up for publicly-assisted health care (Medicare, Medicaid). Sadly they often qualify for these programs because–despite working a full or near-full-time job–they still fall below the Federal poverty line. We, the taxpayers, end up picking up the tab for their medical bills. The estimated total amount of federal assistance for which Wal-Mart employees were eligible in 2004 was $2.5 billion.

    With Wal-Mart it’s all about the hidden costs.

  6. Danny says:

    I’m trying to think of a local writer with a worse case of ideological tunnel vision than you, Trey…no one comes to mind. Maybe that’s your shtick? To be the voice of the blindly selfish…?

    I will requote myself quoting Sam Walton:

    “I pay low wages. I can take advantage of that. We’re going to be successful, but the basis is a very low-wage, low-benefit model of employment.”

    http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/

    http://www.walmartwatch.com/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart

  7. AJ says:

    I like watching local TV when a proposal goes up for a soon-to-be built Wal-Mart. The news orgs do a good job of finding the eff’n real passionate psychos for the interviews.

  8. Trey Garrison says:

    And yet Wal-Mart never has trouble filling job openings. Fancy that.

  9. Mark says:

    I can think of only a handful of sillier causes that the left embraces other than its anti-Wal-Mart obsession.

    Provided the company complies with minimum wage laws, why, exactly, should Wal-Mart pay any higher wage than the market requires? Because it’s a big company? Because the Waltons are rich? Assuming a basic level of rationality among its employees (which, perhaps, a liberal would be unwilling to concede), anyone that works at Wal-Mart works there because it’s the best job available to them.

    Clearly, the market has rewarded Wal-Mart for delivering products at cheaper prices. The crusade to destroy Wal-Mart, if successful, would have the greatest negative consequences for the people that work there and shop there – which are, generally, the very people liberals pretend to care so much about.

    It’s typical that lefties fail to consider the second-order consequences of their policies.

  10. Gwyon says:

    When people’s choices are guided by economic compulsion, they’ll do whatever they have to do. That’s the beauty of the free market: the illusion that the working class is free to choose.

  11. Daniel says:

    Just becuz a bunch of nutcases believe in it doesn’t make it true.Nor does it make it not true.

    What other people believe, be they in the majority or nay, has no bearing on what is or isn’t true.

  12. Daniel says:

    jesus, some days a man caint get nuthin write. Should have looked like this:

    Just becuz a bunch of nutcases believe in it doesn’t make it true.

    Nor does it make it not true.

    What other people believe, be they in the majority or nay, has no bearing on what is or isn’t true.

  13. Daniel says:

    O criminy.

    I’m old and tired now, so I’m stepping aside. From now on, Wal-Mart will rule your lives.

  14. Mark says:

    Gwyon- I’m pretty sure Marx could not have said it better.

  15. Peterk says:

    you know I’ve never seen anyone holding a gun to the heads of folks lining up for jobs at WalMart. The Walmart parking lots where I live are packed with cars every day driven by virtually every ethnic group, black, white, brown, yellow and maybe even a few one-eyed purple people eaters

    walmart must be doing something right

  16. Peterk says:

    “It’s typical that lefties fail to consider the second-order consequences of their policies.”

    yup the left never understands that there are always unintended consequences. think of taxes, are they trying to raise revenue or change behaviour? In most cases when a tax increase is instituted it results in lower revenues has folks change their spending/earning habits.

  17. Danny says:

    Neither do fast food restaurants, Trey. I believe it’s because a minimum wage is preferable to unemployment. Economically speaking, anyway.

    “Clearly, the market has rewarded Wal-Mart for delivering products at cheaper prices.” Ya think? Way to really grab hold of the obvious and shake it in our faces.

    “The crusade to destroy Wal-Mart, if successful, would have the greatest negative consequences for the people that work there and shop there – which are, generally, the very people liberals pretend to care so much about… “It’s typical that lefties fail to consider the second-order consequences of their policies.”

    First off, I don’t think anyone’s trying to “destroy” Wal-Mart. We just think some attempt at humanity might be an improvement for them. And we’re getting sick of the utter lack of accountability that these mega-corporations are held to. They violate environmental laws at home and abroad, they – Wal-Mart, in particular – violate the most basic human rights standards all over the world. They don’t get so much of their product from China because they love the food there; they import from there because that’s where the sweatshops flourish. And because those conditions are the only kind of conditions that can cater to Wal-Mart’s bullying price demands. Common sense should tell you that you can only price any item so low before you start losing money. They only way around that is to basically use slave labor. So that’s what they do.

    And as for the “second-order consequences of their policies”, Gwyon pretty much answered your question for you. Rather than contemplate what she actually said, you responded by calling her a commie pinko.

    Excellent work, both you guys…

  18. Glenn Hunter says:

    Danny, you characterize the comments on Gwyon’s quip as likening her to a “commie pinko”–and I would agree that’s probably off-base. What Gwyon’s remark about the free market really is: More of the same condescending, paranoid mumbo-jumbo that we’ve had to endure from the American left at least since the 1960s. A famous politician of that day got it right about this strain when he complained about “pointy-headed intellectuals who can’t park their bicycles straight”–and it seems like nothing much has changed in the years since.

  19. Mark says:

    Danny – I know “commie pinko” is sometimes a reactionary, ill-considered retort, but when I referenced Marx, I was actually responding to Gwyon’s comment, which, at least indirectly, evokes a common theme of Marxism – the working class struggle against the owners of the means of production.

    I just call ’em like I see ’em.

  20. gwyon says:

    Mark, your aptitude for rhetorical nuance is an inspiration to us all.

  21. Bethany says:

    You know, Wal-Mart is no better or no worse than..

    eh, I give up. You guys win.

    Fight the man, or something…

  22. Death to Walmart!!!!!!!!!!! says:

    I hate Wal-Mart and utterly refuse to set foot in their fake Chinese linoleum doubtlessly made in a sweetshop. Not to mention the utterly minimum-wage, no benefit, no union jobs. Supplementarily, everything made in Wal-Mart is of Chinese manufacture. Why, exactly, are we giving China all our money? Have they earned it? No. Do they deserve it? Hell no! Are they even civil? Not a bloody chance. The only people that get our money are the sweetshop owners, monarchial government, and colossal corporate empire executives. I would even venture that, in comparison, Micro$oft looks like a saint when compared to Wal-Mart. RIAA or Halliburton, not a chance, but they are (in my book) the WORST COMPANY IN AMERICA! That means Canada, United States, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Panama, etc… In fact they’re the worst in the americas, europe, oceana, australia, and africa combined! (I would say Asia, but I’ll bet that China has very shady companies.)