Bloggers vs. Bear: Setting the Record Straight on Dallas’ Most Influential Music Website

The Dallas Observer Music Awards ceremony will take place in the fall as opposed to summer this year, which only means that the people who take the awards seriously are posting their pleas for artistic justice a little later this time around. Other than that, not much has changed. I mostly take notice of this event when someone is wrongly categorized or when a project with which I’m involved is nominated. But I do understand that the award means something to some people in the community. After all, why else would some people take to their blogs or Facebook pages demanding that a fellow nominee not win? That’s what’s happening in the case of the anti-Gorilla vs. Bear lobby.

You might be familiar with Gorilla vs. Bear. It’s the locally-based blog that gets plenty of national attention without posting exploitative TMZ-styled items about teen pop singers. Gorilla vs. Bear has put more Dallas-area musicians on the international radar than any other “local music advocate,” and last month, it put on a rather successful festival in our very own city.

So far, the criticism of Gorilla vs. Bear’s nomination has come from two other nominees for the same exact category: The award for best “Blog/Website.”

First, award nominee and Dallas Observer contributor Subservient Experiment’s Cory Graves posts about being nominated on his blog, or so it would seem. He spends most of the time discussing the reasons why Gorilla vs Bear shouldn’t win or even be qualified. From the “Sub Ex” blog:

At the risk of coming off bitter (trust us we’re not, we are truthfully thrilled with our little niche as DFW’s 6th best music blog, honestly) it is still a little empty feeling knowing the eventual winner will be a ‘writer’ who admittedly goes to very few shows or pays any attention whatsoever to the local scene. In short these statements alone make one a national blogger. No better, no worse, but certainly not a local.

Then another blog/website nominee, The Violitionist’s Michael Briggs, chimes in with this comment:

GvsB is fine for the national music blog that it is, but they all but completely ignore the local scene. I would rather see any of the other nominees win.

On Sub Ex, Graves goes on to explain how much he is not “resentful about Gorilla vs Bear’s success.” If that’s the case, why didn’t Subservient Experiment pick on another local nominee, DBF-Music? I just took a peek at the featured acts on their home page. Out of 31 total artists, not a single one is local. This is by far, the most “national” local site I’ve ever seen nominated for an award.

Personally, I don’t really care. It all reads like cliquish squabbling. But what concerns me about these comments is that the two bloggers seem to be borrowing their distaste for Gorilla vs. Bear from another source: last month’s Dallas Observer cover story about the website’s first local festival.

In that article, Dallas Observer music editor Pete Freedman serves up a thinly veiled hatchet job, suggesting, among a litany of suspicions, that Gorilla vs. Bear doesn’t mean anything to the local scene, that it derives its content by stealing it from other blogs, that its success was a matter of luck, and that its first Dallas-based music festival was likely to flop. (As an aside, even though one local blog reported that the event was “way under capacity,” Gorilla vs. Bear Fest was about sixty tickets short of being a sell-out — and that’s with a headliner that drew a tiny fraction of that to The Loft last year, which speaks to the local audience pull Gorilla vs. Bear has in its home town.)

At the time, Freedman’s piece felt very suspicious to me. Keep in mind, casting Gorilla vs. Bear in a negative light is pretty hard to do, especially considering the website gives an almost entirely positive and benign perspective on the music it covers. It seemed obvious the Observer’s music editor was trying to play with the emotions of the extremely proud local music fan. Obviously he did a good job. A couple of local bloggers already sound just like him.

What’s unsettling about this apparent influence of opinion Freedman holds over some local bloggers is that Freedman’s own opinions are often completely off base. Those of us who follow local music have had to show patience with Freedman’s biases for years. Whether it was the time ripped Girl Talk, only to latter get scolded via Twitter by Girl Talk’s Greg Gillis after his review came out that inaccurately suggested that the artist was just “pressing play and letting the work speak for itself.” Or when he recently tweeted that 2011 is when electronic dance music finally went “mainstream,” never mind the many articles and even books from two decades ago that were about exactly that. It would be like a sportswriter suggesting that a record will be broken this year that was already broken in 1999. Nobody would ever stand for that in the world of sports. In music, however, the scrutiny is nowhere near as disciplined.

Reading how Freedman characterizes Chris Cantalini’s website in the article, placing words like “covers” and “promotes” in quotations as if to suggest that we should hardly feel comfortable assigning those words to what Cantalini does, you can’t help but wonder how Gorilla vs. Bear once won a Dallas Observer Music Award. Take this line, for example:

…the site has already earned its recognition in music meccas like New York and Austin. The interesting thing is whether Dallas will ever notice.

If Dallas hasn’t noticed, what does that say about the fact that Gorilla vs. Bear won your most recent award for “Best Blog?”  That nobody actually reads your paper? And now it’s nominated yet again. Not a single person that even casually follows local music would be surprised if it won, and that’s exactly why these two bloggers are making a preemptive request that the public not support the website they know all too well. And just look at the way Graves put “writer” in quotations in the above snippet from his blog, one of the ways Freedman undercut Gorilla vs. Bear in his article.

Freedman goes on to say that Gorilla vs. Bear was a “direct beneficiary of being in the right place at the right time.” However, there were many blogs that popped up at that time that didn’t have the same impact. I wrote for one of them. Did Gorilla vs. Bear launch at a fortunate time? Yes, but you have to actually do something with that sort of luck. It’s also called being a pioneer.

This dismissive attitude towards music blogs reminds me of an episode back in 2009 regarding an artist we gave an update on last weekPaul North. This was Freedman’s take on Gorilla vs Bear “stealing” the subject matter that fueled the attention-garnering cycle of North’s alter-moniker, Sunnybrook:

Lest there was ever any doubt, in this Internet-driven modern music age, that tastemakers pretty much just blatantly steal finds from other tastemakers and that it’s all one big circle, basically, check the case of Denton’s Paul North, aka Sunnybrook.

He continues:

Pitchfork credited Gorilla vs. Bear with the find, Gorilla vs. Bear thanked local blog WeShotJR for putting Sunnybrook on its radar, and the train will no doubt move on from this point, too.

Such is the way things work in this modern music world–sometimes to terrifying results, plastering so-so bands all over the place to the point of repulsion.

Freedman oversimplifies what blogs do and how they share information and then dismisses the process as cultural pick pocketing. Discovering and promoting new bands is thievery, Freedman suggests, unless he’s the once with the scoop, of course.

In the recent article, Freedman then goes on to make sure you know how unpopular the site is here, even though it wins local awards (by vote) and is well-known in the rest of the world. And for good measure he wants you to know how little Cantalini has done for Dallas music:

Cantalini’s absence would go largely unnoticed; most Dallas music obsessives don’t know what he looks like, because Gorilla Vs. Bear isn’t popular in its hometown like it is elsewhere. Aside from a few acts with area ties that the blog regularly covers — DeLaughter,Erykah Badu, Dentonites-turned-Brooklynites St. Vincent and Neon Indian — it really doesn’t touch the Dallas music scene.

Now this is one of my favorite quotes. Yes, Dallas, just remember that Chris Cantalini has done nothing for you all, and has really only covered artists that The Observer has already tackled.

As for the measly four acts the article mentions, I’ve compiled a little list of a few locals that were left out of the article. One wonders if all of these names were included, then perhaps the point about minimal local coverage wouldn’t have had such an impact on DFW bloggers either prone to amnesia or just completely unaware of the site’s history. The list:

The aforementioned Sunnybrook.


Smile Smile

The Theater Fire


Teenage Symphony

Daniel Folmer

Prince William

Bosque Brown

Sleep Whale (Mom)



Central Booking (including DJ SelectSober, and multiple posts on The Party)

Faux Fox

PVC Street Gang


Fergus and Geronimo


Is that not a list of local artists? At least at one time, or when they were written about? Could it be that The Dallas Observer was dragging its feet when it came it to many of those acts? Selective memory, I suppose.

I could name even more, but it would be comically unfair. Pete Freedman may not remember, or may just not be up to using a simple search function, but it’s irrelevant. The two bloggers who are protesting Gorilla vs. Bear’s nomination may not remember their fellow local bloggers’ work, but that’s also irrelevant.  I’m sure the artists mentioned here remember.  Gorilla vs Bear has also promoted a variety of  local shows (including event at off-the-beaten-path venues like Mable Peabody’s) local compilations, and untold other examples of DFW activity that wasn’t created by the site itself or endorsed by any other local publication beforehand.

To summarize – and I dare someone to dispute this – Gorilla vs Bear has done more to help local musicians get attention outside of DFW than probably just about anyone in the history of this music scene.  The site has done far more than Pete Freedman ever could or ever will to help break an artist. A number of artists. Sure, Pete has helped Ishi sellout Trees, but even he wonders what it means once you drive out of Dallas County.

One more thing: Local blog and past Dallas Observer Music Award winner and current nominee Gorilla vs Bear is presenting one of the biggest shows of the year next month—Panda Bear, at a venue that is a past Dallas Observer Music Award winner and current nominee: The Granada. Cantalini says the show “will sell out” and I have little reason to believe that to be untrue.

He also added: “See you there.”

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  • Chris

    I will give you credit for at least naming names this time instead of your usual passive-aggressive stuff

  • Just wondering why you write about other people’s ideas instead of coming up with your own. Was the whole point of this blog to criticize the Dallas Observer? And regardless of the 60 tickets to sell out GvB fest, the venue was hardly full. Those tickets were not all in the venue at one time. By the time White Denim played, there were maybe 300 people there compared to the 1,000 capacity limit at Granada.

  • Michael Briggs

    Just for the record, I haven’t read the article by Freedman that you’re referring to and nothing that anyone else has said has ‘influenced’ any of my opinions. And none of this is a big deal anyway. Unnecessary drama.

  • JJ Barea

    People are bored…coqui.

  • Christopher Mosley

    @Tiney – Sixty short of a sellout is sixty short of a sellout. It makes no difference who is in the venue at any given time. If an event sells out completely, but half of the crowd leaves after the opening act, it still sold out. By the time White Denim played, it was also well after one in the morning.

    I have plenty of my own ideas. It can be frustrating when you see the good ideas of others misrepresented and reduced to being almost inconsequential, or whatever the heavily scare-quoted writing of others would have you believe.

    @Briggs – All due respect, but don’t you think it’s also unnecessary drama when you are nominated for an award and instead of being satisfied, you immediately take to Facebook and blog comments to say that someone else shouldn’t win? Being a blog from Dallas doesn’t mean you strictly have to cover Dallas music, but GvsB has anyway. It’s especially not necessary to cover Dallas music if that is not a stated purpose of the blog. Those are simply unwarranted expectations.

  • Pete Freedman

    I helped Ishi sell out Trees?

  • anonymous

    “I’m not sure what was worst about going to Pete Freedmans place.. seeing his fraternity paddle on the wall, or seeing his i-tunes list.”

  • anonymoose

    local bloggers vs. local bloggers! setting the record straight on the insular nature of local blogging

  • VacuumBoots

    “Most Dallas music obsessives don’t know what he looks like.” This is seriously important because I, the concerned Dallas music obsessive, want to know what a guy who writes about music looks like. Pete Freedman is probably one of the least intelligent music writers I have ever read. It’s like he just writes whatever he thinks regardless of whether or not there is even the slightest amount of truth in what he thinks.

  • Michael Briggs

    Chris: Yes, it is/was unnessecary. I normally don’t comment on things like that for a reason. I’m done with this subject.

  • Hipster

    Hey, where the white women at?

  • I think the overall issue with the vast majority of north Texas critical journalism is the inability to write a very simple argumentative essay. When done properly it leads other critics to say things like “i’m done with the subject”.. When an argument is made with no facts, or insight it allows Chris to school you as he has done today..

    Just as help to other writers / bloggers.. Here are the cliff notes of how to write an argumentative essay…..
    1. A clear, concise, and defined thesis statement that occurs in the first paragraph of the essay.
    2. Clear and logical transitions between the introduction, body, and conclusion.
    3. Body paragraphs that include evidential support.
    4. Evidential support (whether factual, logical, statistical, or anecdotal).
    5. A conclusion that does not simply restate the thesis, but readdresses it in light of the evidence provided.

    So learn something, and quit giving Chris easy layups. He might respect you in the morning.

  • damn. Say, Man…Say! didn’t get a shout out?! F-dat. I’m goin’ to get some fried chicken.

  • Brian

    @cliffnotes That’s exactly why stonedranger was so good. Is he writing anywhere?

  • It’s a blog in Dallas, not a Dallas blog — but how important are these awards, really? I don’t know if you can call the dude either a writer or a journalist. More like a basement radio deejay who outgrew his frequency range. I’ve found some good stuff on that blog over the years, but despite its aesthetic appeal, overall it’s really convoluted (as far as info gathering goes).

  • Dingus

    Brian: Welcome to stonedranger.

  • Paul North

    I never read Gorilla Vs. Bear until they did a post for Sunnybrook. Is it relevant to the local community? Good question. I’ve submitted dozens and dozens of songs to Chris over the past three years and he has never even replied to my emails– even when it was something he was writing about. It helped me though, how else do people find out about pitchfork?

    The problem I see is a vital organ lost in the “blogstealing” circulatory system, WeShotJr. I think these other blogs hating on GVB were hoping to step in and provide genuine competition. WeShotJr walked in parallel with these sites without caving in [ref: Sarah Jaffe: WSJR vs Dallas Observer on Suburban Nature], which provided great contrasts in perspective-in turn is good for topic. We do need someone in Denton that has a local agenda- I’m with you on that, be patient. All of this PR you’re getting from being argumentative is you developing your voice and in turn probably grants you the same amount of web views as winning the award anyway. Keep writing.

  • chris

    Well written Chris but dang homie … another swipe at the Observer / Pete? As entertaining as it is to read, isn’t it a little too easy to be taking shots at those two? My only issue with the DOMAs was that Seryn’s crappy song has been nominated “Best Song” two effin years in a row. And I hope GvB wins simply because they’re the best blog nominated

  • Gavin

    Tiney: Ur way off on Ur estimates for white denim. And venue capacity.

    GvBfest good or bad for Dallas music? Got Dallas in the NY Times. Unfortunately the Most Eligible show kills our image nationally. Way to go uptown.

  • anony

    Don’t hate, celebrate!

  • Scottie Dee

    chris singlehandedly built his site from the ground up. he created something out of a keystroke and a passion for music. standing ovation to him x 1,000. i love how people love to take to the internet to tear others down. jealousy isn’t very becoming. chris does cover dallas bands, but you can’t fault him because his blog has become an important global influencer.

    chris deserves all the accolades, nominations and wins. period. he’s doing a lot to support a music business that’s tanking.

    just my 2 cents.

  • Jacob

    Pete’s inferiority complex matched with his dogged determination to leave some sort of legacy will be the death of him. Just write, man. Fill the other half of the prostitute pages. Thats all you are tasked with doing. Thank you Mr. Mosley for calling it a spade a spade.

  • Michele

    I would venture to say that people knowing what Chris Cantalini looks like has nothing to do with how many people read his blog. I have never heard a traffic to facial recognition correlation that makes sense.

    Which is the larger number — people in Dallas who read GvsB or people outside of Dallas that read DC9 and SubEx combined?