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What Troubles Me About the Legend of Chris Kyle

If our record website traffic numbers of the past week are any indication, most of you are well aware that our own Michael J. Mooney has written an article in the April issue of D Magazine about former Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle, who was senselessly killed in February by a fellow veteran whom he was trying to help recover from mental illness. You should read the whole thing.

I’ve no doubt that Kyle’s wartime heroics saved many American lives, and that he and men like him deserve our thanks for the sacrifices they made. But in considering his legacy, I can’t get past that story (first written by Mike on this blog, then fleshed out at the beginning of his magazine piece) about Kyle killing two would-be carjackers at a gas station along Highway 67 south of Dallas.

Leave aside for the moment the issue of whether this story is true. Let’s say that it all went down precisely as Kyle described it to Mike. I find that even more disturbing than if he’d just made the whole thing up. Here’s why:

1) No man, not even a decorated war hero, deserves the right to serve as judge, jury, and executioner. Had he turned over the keys to his truck, there’s a good chance there would have been no need for any deaths that night. If the two men were planning to murder him as well as steal his vehicle, they’d surely have shot Kyle on sight. They didn’t. Such criminals deserve punishment, but we shouldn’t applaud any individual for deciding for himself what that punishment should be.

2) But maybe I’ve got that first point wrong. Maybe Kyle was far more threatened by these men than I’m realizing, and so when he drew his weapon and fired, it truly was a case of justified self-defense. OK, fine. Why then should we be comfortable with local law enforcement and a mysterious figure at the other end of a phone line at the Department of Defense conspiring to sweep the matter under the rug, to the point where there’s apparently no evidence of the deaths of these men, no police report on the incident at all? And they do it just because “they didn’t want to drag a just-home, highly decorated veteran into a messy legal situation”? I don’t trust the local cops to decide who, on American soil in a non-combat situation, should have an unquestioned license to kill.

3) Perhaps you think I’m making too much out of those first two issues. You’ve got no problem whatsoever with Kyle’s actions that night or the cover-up that followed. How then do you feel about Kyle talking about it with a reporter? Our military goes to the trouble of muscling in on local authorities so that their guy can carry on with his day unfettered, and then Kyle discusses the matter openly? Talking to Mike he could have dropped just enough hints to allow some enterprising reporter to suss out exactly where this took place and which police department may have acted criminally in withholding public information and making dead bodies disappear. The very people who helped him out of his situation could themselves become exposed to prosecution because Kyle essentially ratted them out.

Any way I look at this, I’m bothered. I can’t seem to shrug it off.  (And I haven’t even mentioned the implications of what I consider the most likely scenario: that this didn’t happen at all, or is an extremely hyperbolic account.)

Mike writes that people will be telling stories about Kyle generations from now, stories that may get embellished over time to the point where we’re no longer sure what’s true, and that “it may not matter too much, because people believe in legends for all their own reasons.”

I don’t understand those who would choose to believe and celebrate this particular legend about Chris Kyle. To me, it does nothing but besmirch what otherwise seems a legacy of laudable service to our nation.

Comments

  • Deedee

    So glad someone else thought that there was something way wrong with that whole thing!!! It’s been bothering me too.

  • USMC

    Chris Kyle’s ass is at the business end of Satans cock right now, if you believe in those sorts of things…

  • EPoe

    Seems to me that if the story was true, there would have to be some record of the events. There were two dead bodies after all. Once the police get involved, dead bodies don’t just disappear.

    JASON HEID wrote: “If the two men were planning to murder him as well as steal his vehicle, they’d surely have shot Kyle on sight.” How do you know? Maybe they were planning to kill him later. Or kidnap him. Once they pulled a gun (if that’s what happened, etc.) they’ve escalated the event to deadly force. Kyle had no choice but to respond in kind.

  • WEW

    I agree. The whole thing sounds made up. However, on point no. 1, if you are the victim of armed robbery, shooting the perpetrator with a properly licensed firearm is about as legally “ok” as it can get. Even in CA or New England. And this is TEXAS. Neither the law, nor for that matter public opinion, says “just do what they say and hope for the best”.

  • Jason Heid

    On point no. 1, I was arguing the morality, not necessarily the legality.

  • Avid Reader

    At least you acknowledge in point 2 that you have in point 1 essentially given the criminals, over Kyle’s on-site threat assesment, the benefit of the doubt in that situation that they would not be murdering him, because criminials are always intelligent and logically would have just killed him off the bat, or something.

  • Bill Marvel

    Disagree on 1. People are certainly entitled to protect their lives (morally) and their property (legally). There’s never “a good chance” when you’re facing two carjackers with pistols. It’s hard to argue that the shootings, if there were shootings, were not justified
    BUT — agree on 2.and 3, which strike me either as preposterous or, if true, deeply frightening. Have we become a nation in which a quick phone call to a mysterious entity at the Pentagon washes away a couple shootings?

  • Eric

    +1 on Bill Marvel

  • Albert Finney

    You lost me right here:

    “If the two men were planning to murder him as well as steal his vehicle, they’d surely have shot Kyle on sight. They didn’t.”

  • Harvey Lacey

    I’ve talked to cops and a couple of Bush Wars vets. They all agree that someone like Kyle could do the double tap twice as described. They also agree that the cover up couldn’t have happened as told.

  • Ed Baker

    That incident was described in his book. Agree with your point #3. Disagree with the other two for the same reasons others have stated.

  • Bill

    The alleged shooting of the carjackers never happened. That is nonsense. I worked in law enforcement for years and know people at all agencies surrounding DFW. It would have been widely talked about and publicized and referred to the Grand Jury in whatever county it allegedly happened in. It did not happen. Period.

  • Liz Landry

    You said EXACTLY what I was thinking in all three points, Jason. This story caused me much personal conflict and I can’t reconcile the lives he saved with the lives he took (?).

  • clctx

    Really with this?!?!?! He is a true American hero. Please let him rest in peace. Get a life and let it go…

  • joseph

    I’m sorry I even stumbled on this Liberal web site…You feel your life is in danger… you stop the threat! It’s not up to Chris how the government chose to handle this absolutely TRUE story confirmed by multiple sources!

  • TRUTH

    your pathetic.. The fact he is a hero is more reason to expose the truth.

  • Brk

    How many people did he kill? Deserved to die really, karma no?

  • Kathleen Lieberman

    Maybe they were assassains? It was covered up to protect the actions of the government.

  • Brian

    Wow… I’m not sure what is more upsetting, that someone actually wrote a piece this distasteful or that I took the time to read the whole thing. Thank God we have Americans like Chris Kyle to defend our freedom, so you can waste your time writing garbage like this in what seems like an attempt to tarnish his “Legend” because you know that you will never have one.

  • Rob

    I say why bring this up at all. Why bring conspiracy or speculation into play and sully the man’s name. Whatever the truth is let the man lay in peace. Whatever the truth it won’t bring anyone back or change the past and the man did wonderful things for his country during war and wonder things for veterans outside of war. All your doing is taking away from the other option of a possible legitimate outcome that we may never know now that he is dead.

  • Coe Take It!

    You left wingers drive me nuts, I am a friend of the well IT HAPPENED, in Texas if there is security footage, or a shooting is deemed Justified there are no charges, Navy Seals for a specific period of time after leaving the seals have a D.O.D number only on their NICS or drivers license JUSTIFIED Shooting. If the surveilence tapes show him jacked by two gun weilding thugs he has the right to drop them, he did get over it no one is crying about it but you liberal asses

  • Coe Take It!

    You know why you cant reconcile? Because you never served in combat and watched insurgent after insurgent plant ied’s and shoot your buddy’s the idea in war is kill or be killed the fact he was Damn good at his job bothers you because you were too cowardly to serve your country, you never wore the uniform and watched these bastards force pregnant women of a different sect to strap a bomb to themselves ad detonate it near troops or have your other children killed in front of you war is hell, your a coward, Chris was a hero his parents deserve rest stop printing this crap

  • Shawn Thomas

    I for one give him a pass. God bless the memory of Chris Kyle

  • Larry Staton

    I agree with you completely on ALL points.

    The fact is that this carjacking shooting NEVER happened! It was all a lie — and a number of researcher journalist who looked into it (instead of just taking Kyle’s word for it) showed it to be a lie – like a good portion of his book. A book that reveals a war-mongering, racist war criminal with a MAJOR EGO PROBLEM (who would tell a story like this because he truly BELIEVED that “small town cops” would fawn over him and risk PRISON by covering up TWO HOMICIDES (all violent deaths are ruled as Homicides until a legal inquest – with records – is conducted, with witnesses and persons involved called, and determines it to be Accidental, Negligent, Suicide, Justifiable, etc.).

    This version not only didn’t happen, it couldn’t have happened.

    Come on people. The CITY of Cleburne is 30,000 people that is a suburb of Fort Worth in the Metro Dallas-Fort Worth Area…. Not some deep rural cowpoke town of 800 people in the 1870s Old West Texas!!!

    Pure and simple BS.

    See media articles:

    http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain-american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html

    http://www.cleburnetimesreview.com/local/x766089047/Sniper-shooting-in-Cleburne-a-hoax?mobRedir=false

    Which then leads to even more troublesome questions and concerns.

    More about that later!

  • Larry Staton

    What confirmation? EVERY confirmation came from a source that Kyle himself told the “confirming source”. There is NO gas station surveillance tape. It is all denied by Cleburne Police. There is no medical examiner records (and no, the high levels of military don’t have the power to “disappear” a strictly local case… and why would they? The higher levels of both SEALs and military in general was ticked at Kyle for exiting the SEALs early to write his book which was something they didn’t take well!)…

    See media articles:

    http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain-american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html

    http://www.cleburnetimesreview.com/local/x766089047/Sniper-shooting-in-Cleburne-a-hoax?mobRedir=false

  • Larry Staton
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  • Larry Staton

    RE: http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/02/08/confirmed-american-sniper-chris-kyle-killed-two-men-at-a-gas-station-in-2009/

    Proof of LATEST posting….

    Larry StatonLess than a minute ago

    Your comment is awaiting moderation

    Why is it that the LINKS attached to basically EVERY post that I have filed has included LINKS to news stories that have proven through RESEARCH that this carjacking story is NOT true have consistently been pulled (except in 1 case where one of links was apparently not scratched by the vaunted Moderator?

    And why have the vast majority of my replies to several of the existing Posters also NEVER made it past the Moderator?

    Profane language? No.

    Spreading lies and fictional data? No. (Kyle and article author did that nicely enough).

    Put article author’s “research”, “conclusions” and “corroborations” in a BAD light? Yes.

    Plus all those replies that I made to the existing Posts also contained those pesky LINKS.

    http://www.cleburnetimesreview.com/local/x766089047/Sniper-shooting-in-Cleburne-a-hoax?mobRedir=false

    http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain-american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html

    Being copied for routing to MSNBC, Rachel Maddow Show, Huffington Post, D FrontBurner management, The Peace Blog (former SEAL and friend of Luttrell’s) – and a few other “surprise” media sources… also for attachment as part of Reviews at Amazon for Kyle’s book and Luttrell’s book.

    This outright denial of fully legitimate Free Speech simply to protect an “in-house” peer not only is a major journalistic ethics and integrity violation, but literally makes me suck to my stomach.

    Posted 2199 hours 01Jun13 – For Record

    Reply made that corrected language to “sick to stomach” as further corroboration.

    ******************

    Proof of Reply to a Reply (7 hours ago) to my TEXT posting (minus links of course) from 31May13 (Note: Somewhere between 6 and 10 of my Replies to other Posters, especially doubtful Posters, were posted then disappeared):

    Reply to “patriot’s” reply to my 31May13 Post:

    What?

    http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain-american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html

    http://www.cleburnetimesreview.com/local/x766089047/Sniper-shooting-in-Cleburne-a-hoax?mobRedir=false

    By the way, this Reply is simply a test as yesterday and before, the article Moderator pulled these same LINKS to news stories – there are also others – where real RESEARCH proved this carjacking story to be a lie – and this article to be very poor “journalism”….

    Posted 2120 hours 01Jun13 for record — Reply to Post from “patriot” that apparently (very poor grammar) is calling me an ass… That Posting just after my text Post from 31May13 where – once again – links were pulled by Moderatot (sic – Moderator obviously)

    Great media outfit here. The one guy who has concerns with this “no big deal” taking of Life (those things change – even if story true with age) takes a crapload of heat by Walter Mitty Wanna-Be “Patriots” (as in American Talibans!), while in the same media outfit another author practices horrifying “journalism” (unethical hero-worshiping) AND keeps comments that contain LINKS (just a couple of MANY) where real RESEARCH showed his carjacking story to be a lie (I used to say hoax, but no, it is an outright knowing lie!) and the article author to be a fool!

    Posted 2147 hrs 01Jun13 for Record

  • Larry Staton

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    I am a Marine vet (carried old stock GI .45 1911A1 off-and-on) and spent 29 years in LE – with over 24 of those with duty pistol a 1911A1 .45 ACP and 17 yrs with SWAT where duty pistol was a SpecOps style Colt 1911A1 .45 ACP…. And I will tell you that the shots he claimed to have made were nigh near impossible… especially with wearing a heavy winter coat (the slide in jacking back and forth with each shot hitting against side if jacket or underarm of jacket – especially with recoil – will jam said pistol, any auto pistol, in a heartbeat!

    Besides….

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    Jason right… NOT described in Kyle’s book. Was a BS war story he told his pal Marcus (who published his book later) — with no idea, I am sure, that Marcus was going to repeat story in HIS book!!! Stuck with his lie now!

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    YOU are absolutely right! Never happened. Period.

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

    BTW, I have another link to a D FrontBurner story from a different author who wrote the initial article. This guy knows nothing about real journalism and absolutely believes this story – because Kyle told him so!!!!

    How about posting this response – with your geographical location and expertise being a VG point to counter the BS over there!

  • Larry Staton

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    Righttttt…. As we hear from another Walter Mitty Wanna-Be (American Taliban)!

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    No, he is an egotistical war-mongering war criminal IMO!!!

    Anyway, this is all BS

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    Yes, what a legend. Takes a Marine suffering from PTSD to
    to a Shooting Range to “cheer h up”. Marine goes berserk, seizes firearm and kills Kyle and another man (friend of Kyle who – poor guy – tagged along). And this whole carjacking story – part if the “legend” is (like 70-75% of his book) is pure BS!

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    There never were options to consider. Never happened. Period. See posting above from police officer of DFW Metro area (you knew this happened in CITY of Cleburne, a 30,000 pop suburb of FW, right… not some 1870s west Texas cow town, right???)

    In addition.

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    No tapes. No police reports. No inquest records. And people go to prison for covering up Homicides (isn’t Justifiable until a recorded Inquest rules it as such). Jeez, people will believe any BS propaganda that comes down the pipe… as long as it is what they WANT to hear!!!

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Larry Staton

    No need to worry about giving him a pass (that would be God’s job anyway…. NOT yours!).,.. as it never happened. All a war story lie. Story isn’t even in his own book. He told a fictional shooting account (“war story”) to his SEAL buddy Marcus Luttrell and when Marcus included that story in HIS book! Now Kyle is stuck with it!

    But again, as real RESEARCH has shown, it never happened! And I just quote TWO out of many true sources….

    See my comments from May 31 and June 1st 2013 on fiction of this carjacking story!

  • Ryan Stebbins

    First of all, is there even any proof that Chris Kyle told this story himself? Someone else could have made it up, not necessarily for bad reasons. You know how people blow things out of proportion – even friends recalling an event after having too many beers or something. I’m not even saying that Marcus Luttrell made it up – I’m just saying that it could have been a lot of things. It could have been a story started by one person that escalated into the version that we’ve heard now. In any case, I doubt Chris Kyle would fabricate the entire thing himself for no reason.

    That being said, if two people come up to you with guns and threaten your life and threaten to steal something that you rightfully own and worked hard to obtain, then yes: YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL THEM. It’s no different from someone breaking into your home. Look, this guy was trained by the very nation that you live in TO KILL PEOPLE. He is good at doing it. At war, you get used to doing it. He was reacting in a very understandable way – even the way that I would EXCEPT a well-trained soldier to react. It’s like a knee-jerk reaction – someone pulls a gun on you, you pull a gun on them. A civilian might get scared and hand over the keys, but when you’ve been trained to never give up under any circumstances – to literally fight until you have either WON or are DEAD – then you react much differently. That being said, even non-military civilians have done similar things and gotten away with it – it’s called SELF-DEFENSE. The only reason this story is being blown out of proportion is because he WAS a Navy SEAL. I’ve heard stories of people rightfully protecting themselves because they too felt that knee-jerk reaction to fight back instead of giving up, and I fully support those people as well.

  • Former LEO

    chatter in the law enforcement community about this matter. None. Zip (with the exception of the talk about this being a hoax that is). Cleburne PD has already declared this a hoax, as has the Johnson County DA’s office. No news, no chatter, no bodies, no “officers” identified, no nothing. Why? Because it never happened.
    Chris Kyle was a great American. He was a hero, and I hope that he rests in peace.
    But he also had a good imagination and was a good storyteller.

  • Former LEO

    I am a former Texas law enforcement officer with years of experience at a local North Texas agency. During my career, I made numerous felony arrests, investigated numerous felony offenses and shootings, and received many awards and accommodations. I resigned with an honorable TCLEOSE discharge and no longer work in law enforcement. I have been following this story closely, as have many in local law enforcement circles. With all due respect to Mr. Kyle and his survivors, this story is pure fiction. It is laughable to those of us with law enforcement experience and knowledge of Texas criminal laws and law enforcement procedure. I’ll address a few of poster Friend of the Family’s (“FOF”) comments below:
    NCIC/TCIC
    FOF states in his/her post that “When the police arrived, they ran Chris’ drivers license it came up flashing red in the onboard computer call this number at DOD and the officer did…” This is a silly suggestion. Law enforcement agencies in Texas whose vehicles are equipped with mobile date terminals (or MDTs as we call them) are all tied into two databases that contain information on the status of driver’s licenses, wanted subjects (i.e. active warrants are uploaded into the systems), and certain items of property, such as vehicles, boats, firearms that have been reported stolen, etc. The databases are called NCIC and TCIC. NCIC stands for National Crime Information Center and it is maintained by the FBI. TCIC stands for Texas Crime Information Center and it is maintained by the Texas DPS. The information that is uploaded is retrieved in simple “single page” format. The database is not interactive. A warrant hit from a subject check comes back as a few lines of information identifying the offense, date of warrant, jurisdiction, etc. Driver’s license checks come back the same way. These systems are not interactive in any way and do not contain “flashing red” messages to call the DOD or any other government agency when a subject happens to be a former spec ops operator. This is pure fiction. I ran over 10,000 subject checks through NCIC/TCIC during my career and never saw or heard of anything this ridiculous.
    GOVERNOR PERRY INTERVENES VIA TELEPHONE IN A DOUBLE HOMICIDE – SERIOUSLY?
    If this story is true, then Governor Perry is guilty of Interference with Public Duties per Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. Of course, any law enforcement officer, along with any citizen of common sense, knows that Governor Perry did not intervene (and could not, he does not have that authority) because this incident never occurred. All killings of one human being by another human being in Texas, whether justified or not, are classified as homicides and thoroughly investigated as such until a cause of death and subsequent criminal culpability analysis can be determined. With regard to the former, the investigative agency with jurisdiction over the offense location makes its investigation. With regard to the latter, it is determined by the applicable county’s Medical Examiner’s (“ME”) office, who determines the cause of death and often offers clues about the nature of the offense (poisonings, previously undetected wounds, previously undetected diseases, number of gunshot wounds, bullet trajectories, etc.). The ME submits its findings back to the law enforcement agency, who then finalizes its investigation and

  • Former LEO

    I am a former Texas law enforcement officer with years of experience at a local North Texas agency. During my career, I made numerous felony arrests, investigated numerous felony offenses and shootings, and received many awards and accommodations. I resigned with an honorable TCLEOSE discharge and no longer work in law enforcement. I have been following this story closely, as have many in local law enforcement circles. With all due respect to Mr. Kyle and his survivors, this story is pure fiction. It is laughable to those of us with law enforcement experience and knowledge of Texas criminal laws and law enforcement procedure. I’ll address a few of poster Friend of the Family’s (“FOF”) comments below:
    NCIC/TCIC
    FOF states in his/her post that “When the police arrived, they ran Chris’ drivers license it came up flashing red in the onboard computer call this number at DOD and the officer did…” This is a silly suggestion. Law enforcement agencies in Texas whose vehicles are equipped with mobile date terminals (or MDTs as we call them) are all tied into two databases that contain information on the status of driver’s licenses, wanted subjects (i.e. active warrants are uploaded into the systems), and certain items of property, such as vehicles, boats, firearms that have been reported stolen, etc. The databases are called NCIC and TCIC. NCIC stands for National Crime Information Center and it is maintained by the FBI. TCIC stands for Texas Crime Information Center and it is maintained by the Texas DPS. The information that is uploaded is retrieved in simple “single page” format. The database is not interactive. A warrant hit from a subject check comes back as a few lines of information identifying the offense, date of warrant, jurisdiction, etc. Driver’s license checks come back the same way. These systems are not interactive in any way and do not contain “flashing red” messages to call the DOD or any other government agency when a subject happens to be a former spec ops operator. This is pure fiction. I ran over 10,000 subject checks through NCIC/TCIC during my career and never saw or heard of anything this ridiculous.
    GOVERNOR PERRY INTERVENES VIA TELEPHONE IN A DOUBLE HOMICIDE – SERIOUSLY?
    If this story is true, then Governor Perry is guilty of Interference with Public Duties per Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.15. Of course, any law enforcement officer, along with any citizen of common sense, knows that Governor Perry did not intervene (and could not, he does not have that authority) because this incident never occurred. All killings of one human being by another human being in Texas, whether justified or not, are classified as homicides and thoroughly investigated as such until a cause of death and subsequent criminal culpability analysis can be determined. With regard to the former, the investigative agency with jurisdiction over the offense location makes its investigation. With regard to the latter, it is determined by the applicable county’s Medical Examiner’s (“ME”) office, who determines the cause of death and often offers clues about the nature of the offense (poisonings, previously undetected wounds, previously undetected diseases, number of gunshot wounds, bullet trajectories, etc.). The ME submits its findings back to the law enforcement agency, who then finalizes its investigation and

  • James

    Yeah I never went to another country to kill others for oil and greed and I never will. I refuse to fight anyone protecting their home like I will protect mine. If serving my country means defecating on my obligations to humanity and God than my country can suck it. I belong to a bigger world that that. Kyle was just as much of a murder as any terrorist that ever attacked the US because Bin Laden told them we were the great satan. I have no respect for either Kyle or any of his counter parts who enter the land of others and kill for someone else’s agenda.

  • James

    If that was the case he would have been shot right there. If you’re aim is to kill someone you shot them before they see you. You don’t keep them alive and get close to them, let them know you’re there and try to steal a car.

  • De Fiandt

    What bothers me is that Kyle’s murder was described in media reports as occurring outside of Glen Rose, TX. Glen Rose is a town of about 800. In fact, the murder occurred at the Rough Creek Ranch shooting range which is indeed about ten miles from the tiny hamlet of Glen Rose, however it is less than half that distance from Stephenville, TX. Stephenville is a town of about 10,000, the county seat and the home of Tarleton University. So why identify the tiny meaningless town of Glen Rose? Methinks it has something to do with the true purpose of his visit to Stephenville. Tarleton University is a CIA outpost, the first university in the nation to set up a “Big Data Analysis Center” back in the 90s. Big data is huge today in the intelligence community, huge…Tom Bittman, founder of Sandy Hook Promise, is VP at Gatner, Inc. which provides Big Data analysis for the CIA, in fact if you check out the Sandy Hook Promise website it talks about the importance of Big Data analysis despite no clear association to the SH attack…Kyle’s Craft Intl. is suspected by many to have been involved in the Boston marathon bombing due to numerous individuals with missing backpacks that happen to match to photo of the backpack released by the FBI…

  • John Lee

    Fuck u Jason heid- Kyle is a true blue America badass. I hope u and your family get raped by a couple of carjackers . Piece of shit pussy.

  • LeAnn Boser

    In the state of Texas what he did is not only legal, most Texans consider it to be moral as well.

  • mommabear

    Absolutely ridiculous. Those men decided their own fate by choosing to attempt to rob an American citizen of something he owned. Why would anyone decide their lives are more important. I believe this incident did happen and I believe he had every right to react the way he did. It doesn’t surprise me that this incident would be covered up by the government and his openness about it doesn’t surprise me either. Here’s why: If the dod was called he likely knew their protocol, knew there wouldn’t be any evidence and thereafter becomes nothing more than a story. I don’t see him having anything to gain by fabricating a story like that but I can see the government covering a possible blowup by a story like that. Nuff said.

  • Intrepid 1

    You must first understand the process it takes to make a Tier 1 Operator. Years of brainwashing and inflated CAR’s lead these men to actually believe the are “jedi warriors”. Embellishment within our ranks is as common place as it is elsewhere in society. Where I take umbrage is when SOF take financial advantage of their service. For every Luttrell or Kyle there are 20 guys operating in the shadows, putting on the line every day with no thought of monetary recompense. To all the quiet professionals I lift my glass and salute you……..“De oppresso liber!”

  • Bill Dye

    fuck u he should have torture the car jackers first before killing them

  • Bill Dye

    too bad ass

  • Rickkane

    The carjackers gave the clear moral and legal right for Chris to shoot them when they decided to pull a gun on the man. There’s no way to know if they would shoot or not, at that point the altercation has a very real possibility of becoming lethal. The reality is that MOST people wouldn’t have the confidence in their ability to deal with that situation being outnumbered 2 to 1. Chris did, and the carjackers made a serious mistake in their choosing of a mark.

    Its a simple matter of kill or be killed when everyone brings guns to a fight. The cover up, if this event really happened and really was covered up, would not even be up to Chris anyways. Strings would have to pulled at some pretty high levels to take a double homicide and make it “Disappear”.

    I’d rather have a hero capable of protecting himself alive, than be worried about two guys out committing armed robberies getting a fair trial.

  • Pierre DuBois

    Mr. Heid I am ashamed that you would point this out over all the other great things Kyle did to defend your right to compose a poorly written article about how its wrong to kill two people who are trying to rob you. I plan to serve when I graduate college, but until then I don’t need to know what our soldiers do to protect our freedom and you or I have no right to judge the decisions they make to protect themselves or our freedom.

  • Pierre DuBois

    Fuckin liberal

  • Reaper

    Man at the liberal pany waste on this site. Two dead John Doe illegals robbing at gun point don’t make the news no matter who kills them. I Chris said it happened it happened. I wonder how you liberals live with yourselves. Chris was not the kind to brag about anything, except his deer kills or his truck and even that doesn’t happen to a stranger. You have no idea who you’re talking about, even accusing him of lying. You liberals are pathetic. Instead of just being afraid of being beat up when you were a kid, you should have fought with all you had and took your ass whippin. Be a man for God’s sake. Just sit back and look at all the good things the liberal agenda has brought us. You’re driven to destroy anything what is good, even the memory of a Hero. Lordy, lordy. This country is friggin doomed.

  • Patriotic American

    Chris Kyle did the right thing

  • zb85

    Ok, the police showing up is the ONLY way dead bodies disappear. No I’m not a psycho conspiracy theorist. They are the only ones who are in the position to file official reports (or NOT) when a death occurs and they are people too. Secondly, the American people spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to train Chris Kyle to be a machine of war, IE they taught him how to kill people who were the enemies of democracy and in obvious violation of another’s rights to life, liberty, etc. If anyone attempts to violate these rights of an individual within the borders of the United States of America they are subject to the will of the people, who may defend themselves AND their rights! Whether this story is true or not is a separate question. If it is true, then Chris Kyle simply continued his UNPRECEDENTED ascent into American History by eliminating two more threats to the peace of our country, if not then what’s the issue? P.s. to those of you who think Chris Kyle and the rest of our soldiers are the “leftovers” who couldn’t get jobs elsewhere, go live in a country where there aren’t warriors to do your fighting for you and see what you think.

  • zb85

    Well said. Mr. Heid, just remember how many more people watch FOX NEWS than read the trash that erupts from your mouth.

  • zb85

    Thank you Coe Take It!

  • Jack Moore

    I never want to slight the dead and especially a dead SEAL – I’ve read Chris’s book (A-Sniper) twice – I do want to say this; my heart aches for Taya and family/ extended family too and I’m grateful to him for his service and I admire him. Nonetheless, this incident stuck-out for me – for one sole reason – all our service people are fighting for what we have – America, it’s constitution and to drill down – our rule of law, and drilling further – the bill of rights, and further yet, natural justice and fundamental fairness.

    Chris’s memoir of a SEAL sniper is woven with what is wonderfully american spirit .. that southern ‘good ol boy’ fabric and it works but owing to this incident it could be twisted and re-shaped with less appealing behaviours far in the past. I am referring to the ‘good ol boy’ image that Chris may tend to exhibit and yes, it carries with it that historic stigma that has nothing to do with the rule of law. By the way .. if Chris didn’t clip Ventura as he said – he should’ve; for me, JV’s a flannel mouth.

    For me, i believe Chris’s account in his book as roughly accurate (its only briefly described) .. oh he might have puffed it up a tad but i believe Chris Kyle was a good man, basically honest and committed to his believe system, his family and his Country’s overarching principles. I think the exhibited ‘good ol boy’ fabric is a red hearing .. that its wrong to tinker with past cultural elements by drawing and enormous long bow.

    Please remember, he said in his book – he called the Cops – he stood ready to be judged.

    Notwithstanding, the police are certainly duty bound to fully explain!

  • Charles Wilson

    They both had guns and wanted his keys to steal his truck. Shooting them as he did was the right thing to do and people that question his ethics should be in the same predicament and see how many times it has to happen before they get killed.

  • James

    You’re the reason why this country has become what it has become; the average American that likes to throw stones without having a clue. Everyone in this country has a right to their opinion but, so many are flat out stupid. Here’s to hoping that you find yourself in the same situation one day, then we can all comment on how you handled it.

  • md1775

    I cannot agree with you more. There’s nothing i love more than hearing men like the author, who has likely never been in a violent confrontation in his life, pass judgment on and Monday-morning quarterback someone he can’t even begin to measure up to.

  • Marylou Barnwell

    You do not know if what you said is true. You are just taking up for the criminals. Maybe someday you will have a gun stuck in your face. at that moment you have to make a choice, he made his, and I agree with his decision. You could not compare yourself to this military man, who had lightening quick reflexes. You would have been too fearful to protect your self, or your property. I am sick of all the criminals preying on people they think will just cave in and give up their life, or possessions. They simply picked on the wrong man.

  • txcoastie

    I have to say if I was in this situation I wouldn’t take the time to evaluate whether
    2 guys with guns pointed at me were going to shoot me or not. We don’t know the minds
    Of the criminals. And frankly if I was Chris and I possessed the same skill
    To so quick defend myself would like to think I would have done the same thing.
    How ignorant can you be to think just cause you handed over keys the perps wouldn’t shoot
    As driving away cause he saw there face. We weren’t there, the man is a documented hero.
    Who fought for the freedom for you to freely write the bs you shoot to write.
    As for the call to pentagon. Lol! Really!?! This comes as some sort of shock to you.
    Our goverment gets away with things we will never know about. There power is abundant
    And there is nothing you or myself can do about it. Do I agree with it. No. I do believe he was
    Justified, but there should have been an investigation done like anyone else.

  • SVS

    Chris Kyle had a large bounty on his head, the car jacking story may have been the cover up for some people trying to collect.

  • SVS

    and what the fuck have you done that so special in this world to cast disparagement’s on another’s actions.

    not much i’m thinking.

  • Robby Robinson

    The bottom line comes down to this,
    Chris Kyle has earned my and others benefit of the doubt on this incident. What he did in multiple deployments is unprecedented. Over and above his actions saving the lives of countless ground pounders by providing a comforting and lethal over watch, I am most moved by his actions with Marine Corps infantry in Ramadi. Not only did he stack up with these Marines on direct action raids, he taught these kids and above all, he led from the front. He was the first guy in the door, that can never be forgotten.

    Yet with all of that, this situation was not only openly discussed with the above reporter, but also documented in Marcus Luttrell’s New York Times Best Selling second novel.
    If this actually happened (and I have every reason to believe it did) and was in fact hushed up by law enforcement, well it seems as if some quiet professionals kind of screwed the law enforcement officials who kept this incident mainly under wraps.
    Whatever the case, the fact remains our brother is not here to defend himself, so it is what it is. Sorry but if you point a gun at someone, I don’t care what the reason is, that person (to me) intends to end my life, PERIOD! With that, judge jury and executioner? You are GOD DAMN RIGHT, HOOYAH Mr. Kyle!!

  • John Brown

    Let’s see… two armed men attempt to rob him, steal his truck, etc and you have a problem with him shooting them? There goes your credibility in my opinion. BTW the tape in question exists and has been viewed by law enforcement. THEY wont betray or besmirch the name of an American hero like someone I could mention, especially someone who knew and had spoken to Chris at length.
    Rest in peace, badass, and thank you for your service.

  • John Brown

    …the morality of self defense?

  • John Brown

    Calling bullshit. The average Spec Op shooter can do it all day long.

  • fred

    Points 2 and on are debatable. The author’s views on Point 1 are at best specious and at worst moronic. That gunmen “would have shot” Kyle on sight if they had wished to kill him is ignorant nonsense. Heid had better learn something about actual violent crimes. Countless times gunmen kidnap, force victims to withdraw money from a ATM, then kill and steal the car. When a criminal points a gun at you, you must realize that is willing to kill you, be it sooner or later. Shooting first is SELF DEFENSE. “Judge, jury and executioner,” would be after the fact, and wrong. Kyle’s actions prevented his own death and are completely defensible, while Heid’s comments are anything but. Heid needs to stop writing drivel and studying reasoning and heuristics.

  • Steve Tellers

    I think Kyle was a brutal murderer, an overrated pile of shit and bully who got what he deserved. I am glad Jesse won a lawsuit against him.

  • Steve Tellers

    Kyle was a killer, both here and in Iraq. He is the type of sick fuck that sometimes slip through the cracks and get in the military.

  • Steve Tellers

    Kyle was a killer and a bully, both here and in Iraq. He is the type of sick fuck that sometimes slips through the cracks and gets into the military.

  • Matt Suckerberg

    Chris Kyle the true american lier.

    • brimac58

      What an appropriate last name, cunt.

  • Matt Suckerberg

    Chris Kyle the true american compulsive lier.

  • Derek Gialenios

    Wtf is wrong with you. 2 men pulling a gun on you and taking your property isn’t self defense? If they had been let go wouldn’t they be emboldened? Would it get worse? Jesus bro.
    Lets look at the keys. Is your life worth the risk of turning your back on them or just trying to see if they lol are just gonna let you go? Thats gambling.
    I think the real problem with you if I may you clearly live in a bubble aand have little to no experience or training with what your opinion s dribbling from your mouth allow for. Why can’t you just stfu with your pride and let professionals do shit. If I needed to write something pretty I wouldn’t be doing it I would call a person like you.

  • Derek Gialenios

    You just defended yourself.

  • Noah Ynclan

    Clctx,

    These are Kyles own words though.
    We have to.know what is true and what isnt.
    Kyle fans/low information people dont even use
    logic or rationale and eat it up and question nothing
    Because they so want to beleive this mistique abt
    Seals and other special operators.

  • Noah Ynclan

    Assassins??? Seriously????

  • mike

    You don’t know shit if you think it was wrong. They deprogram service dogs but, as far as front line soldiers no they don’t. Instinct not hate shot those dummies. I would’ve thought the same way. There is a real threat. Kill them.

  • DeTruf

    No, you do not have a DoD number on your driver’s license, especially after you’ve RETIRED. That “call this number” message is for undercover cops actively working undercover, not for some random DoD dude who happened to kill a lot of bad guys once. It’s not a lifetime get-out-of-jail free card, or a license to kill. Any cops doing what Chris claimed would be in gross violation of the law. Even in Texas, where we specifically write in our constitution that you have the right to kill cops in certain circumstances, you don’t just blow someone away and walk. It must go before a grand jury. And why hush it up? An obvious case of self-defense. Truth is, you’re lying, as was Chris Kyle. Why, I can’t understand. His proven military record is impressive enough that he shouldn’t’ve needed to embellish anything.

  • Really?

    So let’s say I walk up to you with a gun and ask for your keys to your vehicle, home, bank account numbers, and SSN. You have a gun and no very well how to use it. You aren’t fucking retarded (in this case you obviously are) and know your state’s laws concerning the Castle Doctrine, Stand Your Ground, and other self-defense related laws. Are you going to stand there while I take what you worked for? Or are you going to exercise your right to defend yourself and your property? Chris Kyle had a legally owned, legally carried firearm. His life was threatened by these men, regardless of how nervous he felt. There was no police coverup, because there was no need for one. When you kill someone in self defense, there is no detainment/arrest. There is no need for a lengthy investigation. Once your story is confirmed, which it was thanks to gas station cameras, it’s done. What your problem is, is that you’re a leftist liberal fucktard with no knowledge of federal or state law (especially Texas state law) regarding self defense. Rather than thinking rationally, you create these false notions of the value of human life, or a duty to retreat. You’re either of two types of liberal mongoloid. The type who would literally lay in the floor and cry while being oppressed, and just accept that you’re a pussy who refuses to take control of your own life. Or you’re the lying hypocrite type who would be the first to open fire on the two strange mexicans walking towards your new truck, then claim self defense later. Either way, you’re fucking miserable scum and should be purged from this country on the grounds that you are damaging the internet and US population with your utter lack of intelligence. Please, Jason Heid, find a new hobby. Writing rational, intelligent blogs is not something you’re cable of doing.

  • Bippy Izod

    History does not coddle.
    When the coddling stops, we will see the murderer emerge through their PTSD haze and tears of guilt.

    • agsterino

      History is written by survivors, not necessarily the truth.

  • Maureen Anderson

    The story bothered me too. Especially a different account that explained Chris was far from bothered about the incident. Not certain that that is credible. But the lives of those men were taken. No sense of sombre feelings for the loss of life.

  • Jman

    Little late on this story but, Wow! I agree with one thing in this article………..the entire story seems like it should be more easily confirmed. That being said the author is a extremely cowardly individual to assume that someone does not have the right to “off ” a couple scumbags trying to steal his truck if he has the nerves and ability to do so. I also certainly see nothing wrong with the police/ officials trying to keep a situation such as this on the down low. Once the situation was discovered however I do have a problem with a all out cover-up. Assuming the man is not a liar, not only should he have shot the scumbags but should have been awarded by his own insurance company as well as others for putting a end to these guys sorry lives. This is exactly the response these type people understand and need to see more of. I am a little disturbed by the wussification of our nation and have to wonder when or if it will ever be okay to have a back bone again?

  • Aristokickyourbitchass

    I hope your car gets jacked, you get raped, and that you get your face cut off by the very types of criminals you are defending. What Kyle did was in the greater interest of humanity, we can be hard on criminals and make them and endangered species, or we can be little pussy bitches about “hurting anyone too much” and give them more reason to run rampant through our streets. If you don’t want to get shot, don’t jack cars. Plain and simple. It seems that we will never be free of ignorant fools such as yourself that masquerade as conduits of wisdom.

  • LWR090

    Just got wind of this story. Gas station scene suppose to be in upcoming movie. Chris Kyle did some great things and tragically died way too young. That being said, anyone who believes this story probably still believes in Santa. Did not happen period!

    If this was true it would clearly be a justified shooting and no reason to risk a cover up. No witnesses, no video footage, no dead bodies, no record of any 911 calls, no record of anything. Come on. Unfortunately there is a trend with a few SpecOps guys making a lot of stuff up within the last 10 years as their popularity grows. Numerous news stories and related SpecOps arrests for fabricating will be revealed with little
    research. Its big business for them now, movies, books, video games and security/training/firearm
    businesses. The old school quite professionals surely can not be happy with recent events.

  • QQx

    It’s not about pity with the criminals. It’s about the fact that no man should be able to kill without being held accountable.

    Being held accountable is not a problem when the situation justifies your reaction, which I’m very well willing to believe it did (though you, just as much as the author of the article, don’t know what’s true – that’s what the case is for, to ascertain the truth from the available facts).

    It’s not a good thing when cops don’t report people killing people anymore. It’s not a good thing when the justice system is selectively employed. I understand the terrible inconvenience of getting caught up in a case like this, but I don’t think whoever spared Kyle from this did him a great service to be honest.

  • GGG

    If he was legally justified to use lethal force (which it very obviously appears that he was) then you have absolutely nothing to say. If you don’t want to die, don’t commit a violent crime. I feel absolutely no sympathy for the two dead criminals. In my opinion they deserved to die.

    • Padhraic

      They never existed to begin with.

    • The Dude

      No one is extending sympathy for the two dead criminals, if they existed at all. Whether they deserved to die or not is not at issue. The question, as others have so clearly stated, is whether such a double killing can simply be swept under the rug. Chris Kyle’s military service, heroic as it was, is not an excuse to kill two people and then make it disappear. The incident must still be investigated as a homicide. If the circumstances hold it up as justifiable, fine, but Chris Kyle was not 007 with a license to kill. In this case, it sounds more likely that he was either a pathological liar or was himself suffering from mental illness. I can’t imagine someone killing 160 people in wartime, being wounded twice, and being in 6 IED attacks, without being affected by it in some way.

  • james

    This is still America right? or better yet Texas…. Ya carjack me and I am able to get to my gun…. They would die too!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!

    • Laura Lee

      I usually leave mine at home but step across my threshold and its my word vs. dead guy’s word and I get the “I won trophy and the rights to say how it went down” and they don’t get that right! I mean so what the bodies were dragged in the house with blood trails-I can say they were shot inside ran outside, died and I didn’t want the damn neighbors to see too much! Point is dead guys can’t stop the story from swerving here and there now can they?

    • unclesamonmars

      Right. Another gun range John Wayne. You’d be too busy pissing your Spiderman Underoos to get off a shot.

  • Alan Earhart

    There is more than the story of the double homicide on the carjackers to be worried about. This article by Michael McCaffery speaks about the Ventura – Kyle ruling where a jury ruled 8 – 2 in favor of Ventura for defamation, as well as another story that Kyle told about killing some 30 looters during the Hurricane Katrina events in New Orleans. The McCaffery piece more importantly looks at us and why we elevate people to hero status and why we are so faithful to those heroes even if the turn out to be incredibly flawed.

  • Alan Earhart

    There is more than the story of the double homicide on the carjackers to be worried about. This article by Michael McCaffery speaks about the Ventura – Kyle ruling where a jury ruled 8 – 2 in favor of Ventura for defamation, as well as another story that Kyle told about killing some 30 looters during the Hurricane Katrina events in New Orleans. The McCaffery piece more importantly looks at us and why we elevate people to hero status and why we are so faithful to those heroes even if the turn out to be incredibly flawed.

    http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle

  • Alan Earhart

    The problem is that the event never happened. Which is more likely? That Chris Kyle lied about the double carjacker homicide. Or, that he actually did shoot two carjackers, the local authorities called the State Department and then made the whole situation disappear.

    Investigations were conducted by multiple journalistic sources and no one found anything. Could the State Department have made the whole thing disappear to protect their war hero? Perhaps.

    It is much more likely that Chris Kyle lied about this whole event as he did about the Ventura affair and killing dozens of looters in the aftermath of Katrina.

    It is not about smearing the fine reputation of Chris Kyle. It is about who we hold up as indestructible heroes and why we refuse to reevaluate their hero status in the face of evidence to the contrary. Or, maybe we don’t care if he lied or not about these events. We just so desperately need a hero.

    http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain-american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/06/03/in-the-crosshairs

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/

  • Alan Earhart

    It never happened.

  • Alan Earhart

    It never happened. Just because Luttrell recounts the incident in this book does not make it true. There is no evidence to support Kyle’s claims. During the recent Ventura defamation case those defending the Kyle estate demanded that two of Kyle’s stories not be discussed during the trial. One is this one about the double homicide. The other is his story about killing a couple dozen looters in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. I am sure the Kyle estate knew that with more media attention these two fabrications would only hurt their case.

  • Alan Earhart

    The truth is worth looking for. If Chris Kyle lied then we should consider why. What does it say about us if we refuse to take a second look and blindly adhere to the hero myth. This does not make us less patriotic, or less American. Why be afraid of the truth?

  • ChrisMc

    Deadly force should be met with deadly force. Let GOD sort it out Mr. Liberal.

    • agsterino

      I so believe that is also the slogan called out by the extremists who call out as they execute others although they call him by a different name, but basically, the entity is EXACTLY the same as all three major religions have the same historical background.

    • unclesamonmars

      You are ate up with the dumbass. What kind of gun would your invisible guy in the sky carry?

  • ronny

    It may well be a Tall Texas Tale. I am Military and a Texan and know that some people are B.S. artists. I do support his right to defend himself. Just give the keys, they will give you a bus ticket!!! I think his senseless death proofs that point.
    BUT, any merit to your entire argument is washed when I read “a war-mongering, racist war criminal with a MAJOR EGO PROBLEM”. You suddenly sound like a cowering, threatened toad.

  • SgtRock

    The problem with 1,2, and 3 is that there are far too many pu$$ies worry about this instead of manning up to protect this country. Shame on you. Go worry about this in your private thoughts. Freedom isn’t free.

  • ep_vet

    Chris was a sniper hero… he wanted to be a SUPER HERO, defending the mission against all real, perceived and imagined enemies… he lied this time… and a number of other times. For example, he said the government hired him to shoot looters from the roof of the SuperDome during the aftermath of Katrina…. that was another stinker!

    • Eggo

      Lolololololhahahaha!wowwwwww and this is a hero!

  • Guest

    For all his “heroic”‘exploits, somebody got the drop on him, or? Especially for a “legend”, looks like the stories about him are the”legend”.

  • gunny

    I am not concered if the story is true or false. It serves as a lesson that a veterans’ life is more valuable than a criminals’.

    • William Zabel

      Not if that veteran is a liar and war criminal.

  • gunny

    You are worthless

  • suemtchlrnw

    Yea..Fox News

  • suemtchlrnw

    The war will always mess even with best

  • suemtchlrnw

    He might have lied some…so he was not perfect… No ones in great or perfect shape after what he went through.

  • suemtchlrnw

    Seems he was still pretty heroic just told some big fibs too. People lie all the time. Many dont even know it. Making up BS to make themselves better about some crazy thing. He just a huge audience.

  • Seal

    Hmmmm….are you just blogging this to get traffic on your sight? Let it go.
    Seal Team 14

  • Dana Ex

    I believe chris kyle did serve his country honorably and probably saved many lives, however the one thing I have determined is “The Legend” is mostly made up in his own mind. As a Marine I am torn by defending this man for him serverving as a sniper during the war in Iraq, or calling him what he is, a liar. I bring to attention him stating in his book that he fought Jessie Ventura in a seal bar/hangout for making anti american statements……..never happened…… why did he lie about it? Was he always a liar, or was it something that developed after his service, I dont know, and why I am torn on this subject. I just saw the movie and it brought tears to my eyes, obviously Clint eastwood knows how to appeal to the audience but again how much is truth. RIP Chris Kyle may you find peace in the afterlife that you never seemed to have in the here and now. Thank you and your family for your service.

    • MomMarti

      Hello Dana,

      I understand where you are coming from. As civilian who is proud to have several family members who serve(d) our country and a friend to many Marine Corps wives, I believe we owe a debt to our vets and servicemen/women.

      But take off the uniform, and we are all just human beings and even those of us who try to be ‘good’ are still inherently flawed and therefore not impervious to criticism.

      I want to believe that Chris is above reproach but the story about Jessie Ventura seems far fetched to me for this reason. Jessie is ‘allegedly’ in a Navy Seal bar talking all kinds of sh!t and goes as far to say that Americans deserved to die over there….and Chris Kyle is the ONLY person who stood up to him and later laid him out?

      I live near Camp Pendleton and on my occasional ‘Mommy’s Night’ out with the girls have been drinking in bars patronized by Marines. I can’t imagine anyone taking the crap that supposedly came out of Ventura mouth without catching a beating from almost everyone in the bar…and it being captured on cellphone from bystanders.

      That being said, Ventura suing the estate of a war vet and essentially leaving a grieving widow holding the bag IMO is a bigger detriment to his character than any allegation Chris Kyle may or may not have fabricated.

      The story about the carjackers also doesn’t make sense- although, I haven’t seen or read anything that directly connects him to it, just claims that some folks say he said it or admitted to it.

      Very often, we read or hear stories about ‘armed citizens’ defending themselves against criminals , that are documented on video and/or police reports that do not result in charges being filed against the citizen or a smear campaign. If Chris shot and killed two armed carjackers, there would be nothing to ‘cover up’.

  • Suzanne Potter-Thomas

    I cannot believe how many people so ignorantly have sided with two armed carjackers! Story true or not WHY would ANYONE side with CRIMINALS… well I guess because you are IDIOTS! Anyone who commits a violent crime using a weapon DESERVES what they get! WAKE UP YOU MORONS! I for one am SICK TO DEATH of SUPPORTING violent criminals with my hard earned tax dollars from the investigation, through the judicial process and years of feeding and housing these POS! I LOVE IT when I hear stories about violent criminals being killed after they have committed violent crimes! It’s sickening that we are 5 percent of the worlds population and have 25 percent of the worlds PRISON population! WTF happened to MORALITY in this country? Doesn’t ANYONE teach their kids RIGHT from WRONG anymore? America needs to adopt a new slogan and broadcast it LOUD and CLEAR… if you commit, or try to commit, a violent crime with a WEAPON you better be prepared to DIE in the process! We should ALL have the RIGHT to DEFEND OURSELVES, OUR FAMILIES and OUR PROPERTY with deadly force when faced with it!

  • VoiceofReality

    RIP Kyle.
    Your service did not end at discharge

  • VoiceofReality

    RIP Kyle.

    Your service did not end at discharge
    Your legacy lives on.

    • unclesamonmars

      VoiceofReality. Ha! That’s a good one.

  • Jax

    You’re being naive when you state: “they’d surely have shot Kyle on sight.” They were demanding the keys to the truck. We’ll never know what would have gone down if Kyle had handed over the keys. For all we know those bad guys had a pattern of offing witnesses. I do know that their plan wasn’t designed for an encounter with The Legend.

    Plain and simple, I only see this going one way after the carjackers point weapons. The logical outcome is Chris Kyle taking these guys out. That would be the likely outcome with any operator on Kyle’s level. The carjackers most certainly understood that their chosen profession had some risk associated with it. They were instigators. They died because they met up with a guy who was highly skilled at taking out instigators.

    Now we come to the tricky part. Do we press charges? Do we take the shooter in for questioning? Do we get the media involved? One must consider the shooter before answering these questions. There’s a big difference between Joe Blow trying to defend himself against carjackers and Chris Kyle making quick work of two armed bad guys. I’d say we ended up with a very positive outcome, considering how many horrible results we could get if a regular citizen was driving that truck.

    • Gref

      “Now we come to the tricky part. Do we press charges?”

      You can’t press charges. All of the police departments that could have jurisdiction over that area said it is a lie, no such shooting took place.

  • cavman250 .

    There are nine active duty SEAL Teams – four on both the East and West Coast and one SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team. There are also two Reserve SEAL Teams made up of SEALs who have served on active duty and want to continue their service in the teams after they leave active duty…….SEAL team 14???????

  • Laura Lee

    This sorta sets the stage for the similarity to another vet, his killer’s story, where a vet, not quite so decorated but still a hero for serving our country does not get the death penalty due to PTSD and mental disorder where if it had been made up completely or not, there is still quite the leniency toward our vets in these types of circumstances. Just one is quite larger then the other one, but then so are the decorations they both had as well. Made up? Maybe it was, maybe it was blown up a bit more then reeled back in and down or maybe there is hard evidence, either way some good points were made but lets not go on and on over this issue when all America wants is a hero and someone for their children to look up to! Especially those who do grow up and serve our nation-that is what America wants-I am sure a Superhero. This is my two cents on the issues here and while points well taken-we need to let it rest!

  • Jax

    You’re being naive when you state: “they’d surely have shot Kyle on sight.” They were demanding the keys to the truck. We’ll never know what would have gone down if Kyle had handed over the keys. For all we know those bad guys had a pattern of offing witnesses. Their plan wasn’t designed for an encounter with The Legend.

    Plain and simple, I only see this going one way after the carjackers point weapons. The logical outcome is Chris Kyle taking these guys out. That would be the likely outcome with any operator on Kyle’s level. The carjackers most certainly understood that their chosen profession had some risk associated with it. They were instigators. They died because they met up with a guy who was highly skilled at taking out instigators.

    Now we come to the tricky part. Do we press charges? Do we take the shooter in for questioning? Do we get the media involved? One must consider the shooter before answering these questions. There’s a big difference between Joe Blow trying to defend himself against carjackers and Chris Kyle making quick work of two armed bad guys. I’d say we ended up with a very positive outcome, considering how many horrible results we could get if a regular citizen was driving that truck.

  • John Curtis

    You assumptions are just that, assumptions. You have appointted yourself as “Judge and jury”. Your indictment, of an American heroe, is nothing but a disguised attack on Veterans and the military. You liberals should be honest about your agenda, because, most Americans are aware of your disdain for our military and the brave men and women who sacrifice everything, so that you and other “ungrateful bandits of freedom” have the right to speak your mind. Just don’t act as if you respect or appreciate our Veterans, by adding little caveats within you attacks.

    I worked in law enforcement for 25+ years and served in the Army; including, combat service in Iraq/Kuwait and investigated numerous violent crimes. Many of them contradict your assumption that had he given the criminals the keys to his truck, they would have left him unharmed. Fortunately, our laws grant us the right to protect our selves against a threat of injury or death from another individual, especially, in incidents of a crime being committed. An individual doesn’t have to wait to be shot or physically harmed in order to defend themself. I can assure you, if I was subjected to the same type of violence or threat, I would have fired my weapon, with the intent of stopping the petputrator(s) and neutralizing the best the presented. The key word is “threat”. The criminals knew that they were risking their lives when they decided to pull a weapon on the victim.

    As for the allege “cover-up” by the goverment – if it was clear that the incident occurred as reported, they had an obligation to protect Kyle. It’s no different than the Secret Service protecting the President from retaliation by the Islamic terrorist who would love to avenge Bin Laden’s death, by killing the person who gave the order. Kyle became famous for his service, which places him at risk of being drug thru the mud by the media and others, who would exploit the fact that he was an American War hero, who shot and killed 2 criminals, after returning home from a war in which he saved many lives a served his country honorably. People who fail to understand what the real sacrifices are about and have an agenda to weaken our military are not capable of understanding the debt America owes and the responsibility the nation has to protect these invifuald from being persecuted for their service.

    You should be using your energy and resources to write about the real threat – Islamic terror.

    • agsterino

      Islamic terror is indeed a present threat, but please read history books as to which country has killed the most civilians of other countries and start thinking about why the rest of the world fears you. Which country has fought most of their wars in foreign countries without fully giving out the number of lives in those that have been lost in order to protect huge industrialists like Haliburtin, Monsanto, IMF, The Federal Bank ?etc.?
      Islam is the largest religion in the world, their are only a very small number that are terrorists. Does the Klu Klux Klan represent all Christians? Do Natzis represent all Germans?
      Unemployment and poverty are creating extremists who react to capitalist west overtaking countries under false pretences and creating more harm for those inhabitants.

    • Gref

      “I worked in law enforcement for 25+ years and served in the Army”

      You didn’t work a single day in any law enforcement agency that fails to record multiple shootings or lets people leave the scene based on what their name is.

    • William Zabel

      The government is not going to cover for a war hero like that. Researchers have tried for some time now to find evidence of this carjacking and it does not exist. Nor did he punch Ventura as he claims. Unless you have not been reading these postings here there are cops, one from Texas posting here that says all checks with Texas law enforcement authorities show the incident did not happen.

      Another thing I will not worship people who serve in the military and kill civilians around the world. Chris Kyle bragged about what he did as though it was a trip to Disney land. The U.S. Military is a murder machine that has killed millions of civilians around the world without cause, not some half dead, man on kidney dialysis in a cave somewhere. America supports murder and its citizens worship at the feet of cold blooded killers.

    • Holly Bentley

      I am a huge supporter of our Veterans. My son served in Afghanistan. My father in Vietnam and my grandfather in WWII. I respect Chris Kyle’s honorable service. I see him as an American hero, but that doesn’t mean he was perfect. It saddens me to realize it, but he it seems he likely was a compulsive liar. I have read a lot about his “tall tales” from several different sources and I do not believe he shot carjackers and it was covered up. I do not believe he shot looters in New Orleans after Katrina. (Who could believe such a thing and support it even if they did?) I am not a fan of Jesse Ventura, but I find it hard to believe that he would say the things Kyle said he did – and it was proved false in a court of law. It does not negate his service to his country or the fact that he was a good father and husband and helped others.

    • unclesamonmars

      You are so full of shit, there should be a handle on your head to flush out the fiction you find to be reality.

  • Craig T

    Chris Kyle was sued for defamation IN COURT and LOST. Add that to the bogus carjacking and Hurricane Katrina narratives and there is only one conclusion, and that’s Chris Kyle is a LIAR plain and simple. And if he lied about these 3 incidents then what else about him is LIE??
    Enjoy the Hollywood movie because my guess is that everything about Chris Kyle and this movie is FICTION.

  • brick

    “I find that even more disturbing then if he’d just made the whole thing up.” Sure, it’s easy to claim typo, but i see this frequently. “… more disturbing THAN if he’d just…”

  • Mosten

    “No man, not even a decorated war hero, deserves the right to serve as judge, jury, and executioner. Had he turned over the keys to his truck, there’s a good chance there would have been no need for any deaths that night. If the two men were planning to murder him as well as steal his vehicle, they’d surely have shot Kyle on sight. They didn’t”.

    Are you F’ing kidding me? When you commit a felony with a gun expect a response with deadly force. Mr. Heid , at what point would responding with deadly force would have been appropriate in your eyes? From the story you suggest that he should have let the carjackers kill him before he had the right to shoot them.

    • unclesamonmars

      You’re just another limp dick dumbass, that lives vicariously through a miscreant like Kyle. It never happened!

  • agsterino

    When you train a human to kill, that is what their automatic response is.
    Yet, these folks return with little or no retraining to use violence as a last resort.
    It is amazing how many people place their ” propert” above a human life. Think about which countries in the world that place “property” above life. It says a tremendous amount about the morality of the country. This is why young men and women are sent to war … So rich industrial companies and capitalists can get richer.

    • unclesamonmars

      Exactly!

    • heckraiser

      As a Marine veteran, let me enlighten you on the training I received. We received training to recognize threats and eliminate them. The same training given to police officers and SWAT. We don’t go running into battle half-cocked, shooting everything in sight like you seem to think agsterino. As far as the car-jacking, there is a saying that is used – “Don’t aim your gun at anything you aren’t willing to shoot”. If they aim their guns at me, I’m going to assume they know that rule too and shoot first, thereby emilinating the threat to myself and others.

  • agsterino

    Only the winners of war write history books, not necessarily even close to actual events.

  • agsterino

    According to historic records, Christianity has been far FAR more brutal than any other religion. As for sympathy for young boys … Ask a priest.
    Separate the terrorists from the religion or do you accept all the blame for the atrocities caused by Christians?

    • unclesamonmars

      Hey now! Let’s not muddy up the debate with historical facts!

  • Shaarinya

    Chris Kyle…the fraud! You know why his estate lost the battle against Ventura? Because Kyle never did the things he claimed, and then profited off of what he did not do. Chris Kyle, the liar!

  • Louis Kranyak

    Cry Me A River! Doesn’t trouble me at all…not a single bit. He did the world a favor. Serves them right for pulling guns on him and trying to steal his vehicle! Louis Kranyak, Retired Sheriff Deputy.

    • unclesamonmars

      And you are why people fear the cops. You are a self centered, macho git. Anyone with such a disregard for life, shouldn’t be in law enforcement. Good thing you retired.

  • GerardKennelly

    Kyle was a coward he murdered people from miles away

  • x10

    Sorry,, didn’t get past 1. Someone points a gun at you, they mean to kill you. It’s not a time for conversation. It’s not a time to think about bartering. Life our death moment, whether a soldier or not, and you have no idea what it’s going through their head nor the time to pontificate from the comfort of your armchair.

    • unclesamonmars

      Says the guy that’s only been accosted by paper targets.

  • Tea Party USAR

    What a bunch of bull. I know of a 2 star General that was detained for a day for8 hours for less than this.The Police are just going to magically let him leave after they have 2 dead bodies still lying on the street ? If you are not a member of Congress that has open sessions in progress , or the POTUS , you will be filling out a lot of statements for quite sometime and going down to the PD for some photographs, background check, AFIS Scans, video statement, 2nd interview with a Commonwealth Attorneys liaison ect.. I know. I am a retired Police Officer from Virginia. We have lots of DC traffic.Its sad he is dead. Its even more sad all the lies are catching up to him with so many little kids looking up to our Military. Harper Collins owns the book of lies.Ventura started the lawsuit before his death.The Judge called Kyle a liar and the jury did also.The jury awarded Ventura the money. He asked only for the truth to be told that Kyle lied about punching him in the face.Harper Collins had to pay the attorneys bills and the damages caused by Kyle. Not a dime came from his estate. Gee I wonder who owns Harper Collins? Do some homework.

    • unclesamonmars

      Kyle’s story is just more of the “legend in his own mind” crapola. He was so full of himself, he expected for all of us to believe he was so well known to the cops, that brandishing his Texas DL was sufficient for them to begin a cover up of his actions.

  • rock

    You are jerk, he saved many American soldiers ,That’s ‘what Snipers do! you idiot! You must have never served your country

  • Joe ThePimpernel

    1) If you point a gun at someone, you have given them the moral right to kill you if they can

    2) The surveillance video corroborated the fact that Kyle was the victim of an armed robbery.

    3) The surveillance video alone would have caused the prosecutor to not even take the case to the grand jury

    • unclesamonmars

      Thanks for your input, Mrs. Kyle. God! You rednecks are so full of shit. Please shut the fuck up!

  • Jim M

    where’s your proof of this?

  • jimm from northern nj

    GeradKennelly…

    Let me say, “You know nothing!” It is actually the legal use of deadly force, even in the good old USA. In NYC (where I grew up and a life-long democrat), one of the legal justification for the use deadly force is that it was necessary to protect the lives of people who would die if you did not acted. In this case, the “other people” are other “U.S. soldiers”.

    As for being a coward, let me quote wiki, Chris Kyle “was awarded … for acts of heroism and meritorious service in combat. two Silver Star Medals, five Bronze Star Medals, one Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal, and two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals.” You don’t get that many medals by been a coward.

    I know I’ll never get any medals for bravery, but how many medals do you have?

  • Tarnell Brown

    Two men had guns trained on him. That is all that is relevant. You can’t quantify what they would or would not have done. Such conjecture is meaningless. Had he done as you suggested, it is quite possible that they would have killed him after the fact. Unless, of course, you exist outside of time/space and can see the course of all men’s lives.

    Bugger this nonsense. People have the right to defend themselves. People, however, do not have the right to point weapons at other people and take their stuff.

    • unclesamonmars

      It didn’t happen, idiot. That is the only relevant fact. The guy was full of shit.

  • Dima Timchenko

    Gerard, you are a coward!

  • Gref

    Reporters talked to many cops who work that area, they all state it never happened.

  • Gref

    “someone he can’t even begin to measure up to”

    All of us a superior to someone who makes up stories about killing people for the sake of his ego.
    Seriously, pretending you killed 30 people in Katrina means you are pretending you are a mass murderer for the sake of your ego.
    If you don’t feel superior to that person, you need to get your own head straight.

  • T.O.

    Sounds like your pissed you didnt get the story to write about. If two guys had gun on me, your dam straight i would fire back. Media is alot to blame on how people act. Look at all the school shootings. If the first one was never televised you would have far less school shootings. Get a life and write about something good instead of trashing people.

    • unclesamonmars

      Your mom called! Your diapers are back from the cleaning service.

  • CAM

    And then there’s his story that he was a professional bronco rider who had to quit after a bronco fell on top of him in the chute, dislocating his shoulder, breaking his ribs and damaging his wrists so badly that he had pins put in both of them. He even had to be helicoptered to the hospital. He should have scars on his wrists. I don’t see any. Do you?

    When asked in his deposition what his job was during the period when he was supposedly a pro bronc rider, Kyle said that he was a ranch hand.

    I suspect that Kyle is a world-class liar. I doubt if we’ll be telling stories about him in five years. Maybe we’ll be talking about the astonishing credulity of Fox News and the American public.

  • CAM

    Kyle claims he was awarded two silver stars. In a photo of him receiving a JINSA award in 2005, I don’t see him wearing that insignia so he must not have had one then. He’s also not listed in valor.defense.gov, but that website may not be a complete listing. I see Michael Monsoor’s Medal of Honor, but don’t see silver stars for Monsoor–and he reportedly had them.

    Probably wouldn’t hurt to double check that Kyle was actually awarded the medals he claimed.

  • CAM

    Lord. I just read the part in AS where he talks about his post-accident wrist pins. He says they stuck out a few inches on either side and once when he was driving one of them was banging into the signal indicator so he broke the pin off at the skin level. Uh-huh. That’s the last we hear about that until later in the book when he says that a Navy physical “revealed” that he had pins in his arm. I guess he’s talking about these wrist pins that stick out a few inches because he doesn’t tell us about any others.

    Everything Kyle says is a lie, including “and” and “the.”

  • Full Blown Idiot

    Jason,
    You are a full blown idiot for giving out advice on how to handle a carjacking. You are way outside in area you have expertise in. You are entitled to you opinion but when your advice is reckless and could cause considerable harm to anyone foolish enough to take your advice you should be called out.

    The story is made up most likely by another full blown idiot working with you. It is obvious the burden of proof for publishing here is very low or non-existent. There is no evidence Chris ever said this other than a claim of one wane be journalist. The Super Dome incident is hearsay as well. A clever way of bumping up web hits.

  • Patriot

    WRONG…WRONG…WRONG. Ratfinks deserved execution…the gene pool is better without them!

  • Scottcs

    Oh brother…if you get carjacked, you may wish to defend yourself, or, perhaps you’d prefer to die yourself

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  • Mick King

    Well I’ll quote Chris here:
    “Despite what your momma told you, violence does solve problems.”

    My question would why did these two low life’s have a god damn right to hold Chris up at Gun Point demanding his money & his truck in the first place?

    Only a do Gooder Lilly live red soft cock would argue any other way!

    Society spends far to much money & time trying to readjust these criminals so they can be released back into society to repeat their acts of crime. Eye for an eye, tooth for an tooth!

    I hope one day, you & your family are held up by gun point & let’s see how understanding you are at the end of the day.

    My other question would be why did Chris have to find a need to lie in the first place?
    He was already a War Hero, a Legend & one of the most decorated Veterans around, there was no need to lie at all.
    You doogooders are the reason thousands of innocent people died in the Twin Towers. You traitors questioned the American Way of life & let those scumbags into your country to commit on of the most horrific crimes of all time.
    I suppose you think that incident was a conspiracy & no one died at all. Just a bit of showmanship to get everyone onside so they could invade the Middle ESt????
    Why don’t you Dogooder Losers take a friendly visit over there & catch up with you friendly ISIL Team & see how loving these guys are towards you all.
    Christ I can’t stand losers like you taking the sides of Criminals.
    Traitors the lot of you all.
    Rant over.
    Mick
    Regards

  • TeXan

    Face it he, PO Kyle, was top secret. get over it.

    BTW Kyle was given 2 purple hearts. Anyone with any info on the injuries wounds?

  • Crazy Otto

    Miles away? Gerald do yuo have problems with reality?

  • Shibu Isaac

    Looks like the writer is not a war veteran.A soldier who has fired a gun in battle,has automatic instincts,to fire when danger approaches even in civil life.

    So allow Chris Kyle to be the hero,THE LEGEND.

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  • Justin Moore

    get a clue, this guy served for our country for 4 tours in iraq, two men holding a gun at him demanding his truck, who do they think they are…he has a right to defend himself after what he has been through…i would say he is a hero as well for getting those two scumbags off the street.

  • TeXan

    Marylou, What about the 25 Negro looters he shot in NO? That put a quick stop to the looting.
    BTW Did Kyle have PTSD also? Was Kyle or Eddie Ray receiving a monthly PTSD check? what will happen to the check? will Eddie still get his check in prison? Will Kyles widow Taya get the check for Chris?

  • William Zabel

    He lied about the supposed car jacking and the so-called Ventura knockout. What the hell else do you think he is lying about? I don’t like the fact that he wrote a book about what he did in Iraq. To me it is something that soldiers should keep to themselves. I don’t think Americans need to hear about his kills.

  • William Zabel

    The event never happened!

  • Steppy412

    Kyle met with the cops. They had a video. If it’s clearly self defense, no charges would have been filed. That’s they way things work. Nothing special, just how it works for everyone.

  • Eggo

    You live by the sword you die by the sword. God will exact vengenance and it will be final and forever. Hero is very loosely thrown around because people need a hero! We accomplished nothing in Vietnam Iraq of the other places the last war we had was world war 2. Unfortunately there are real military people who can see the truth that no one wants to believe. The who what and why of it all is seen in Gods eyes only! There are a lot of unsung heroes looking for nothing from anyone. A true solider who kills has a conscience and quietness that only another solider like them can understand! There is no joy in bragging about killing people whether it be enemy or foe! I understand well what you are saying and seeing! God help us all and please bless the USA to become great again.

  • Brady Robinson

    If it is true that he killed someone trying to rob him then your crazy for disecting it so critically any normal civilian would be understood for acting impulsively under circumstances in which he felt threatened. It’s self defense, nobody is expected to sit and think, ” well these guys probably don’t really want to hurt me else they’d have done it already so I should just calm down and willfully get robbed that way nobody gets killed and I hopefully don’t get hurt” while they’re suddenly in such an intense obviously threatening situation. It’s ridiculous to expect anyone to be that rational while getting robbed. Also any criminal that is willing to strong arm rob people has admitted to himself at some point that he is putting himself in a dangerous situation. The robbers probably wouldn’t even blame him for his reaction. If it is true.

  • timotei

    I heard Chris Kyle was 10 feet tall and shot flaming arrows out of his are…and that he, Elvis Presley, and Chuck Norris parachuted into Gettysburg together

  • brimac58

    Perhaps you do not have the journalistic or investigative skills. I am a retired Police Officer and saw the video. I guess you struck out Jason.

  • brimac58

    Jason Heid, why should we believe you? What are your credentials? You demonstrate a lack of knowledge on Chris, not to mention that which is classified.

  • Jennifer Shifflett

    The criminals got what they deserved. I’m sure this wasn’t their first criminal act to pull or get away with & that kind of behavior will get you killed or put away. Consequences that they were aware of. Chris Kyle was an American hero & will always be known as that. Was he perfect, nope, but had a good heart which made him a good person

  • Gretchen West

    The story is a lie. Kyle was a compulsive liar & was even found to be one by a court of law. He was also an idiot whose idea of helping a mentally ill man was to give him a loaded weapon. His whiny widow needs to shut up & pay her husband’s debts.

  • unclesamonmars

    The stupid is strong with you, Jethro.